After OnePlus confirmed the OP2 would have a Snapdragon 810 processor there have been a ton of rumours and complaints which the company spoken out against.
The OnePlus 2 will have a Snapdragon 810 chipset, this was the news a few days ago quickly followed by people asking about overheating issues and making jokes about portable heaters for the winter. It seems OnePlus are concerned too as they have stated on their forum that they will be under clocking the SD810 in their new phone as a precaution against heat. The SD810 in the OP2 will be clocked at 1.8Ghz rather than the 2.0Ghz it runs in other phones.
In the same forum post, OnePlus also deny rumours that the OP2 will cost $322 and have actually gone on the record to say it will cost more! OnePlus say that they are paying up to %60 more for the SD810 chipset over the SD801 contributing to the higher price.
No other details were mentioned other than the next OnePlus flagship will have components befitting a flagship. Reading between the lines this sounds like a 2K display, 4GB RAM and 16+ megapixel camera to us.
How much are you willing to pay for the OnePlus 2? Are you happy with the processor choice?
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Me like power. Me like the best of everything but me no like to pay too much. So me say me pay $420 after resellers add their gain on the OP2. Whose with me?
Iâm just waiting for the Helio X20 from Mediatek which looks to be a far better deal and it will probably be just as good as the SD810 while using less power, costing less.
Thanks but no thanks.
Helio x20 will definitely be better. If am discarding my Nubia Z7 Max, I need something thatâs at least 40% better in all ramifications. Fast charging, 3800mah battery, Sony IMX230 or IMX234, 5.5âł 2k display or a really good 1080p screen with Corning gorilla glass 4 and of course 3gb to 4gb ram with 32 GB ROM + SD slot or 64gb ROM without an SD slot. Not more than 8mm thick, USB type C and finally SD820 or Helio X20 or something from Intel that destroys the competition.
Good luck with that one, most of it is possible but no Chinese manufacturer I know of has yet to use gorilla glass 4.
These expectations remain my benchmark till December. After which it will be updated. Probably see better Chinese products before December donât you think?
Definitely, mtk has nailed it with the 6752,somebody told me that the 6795 in the m9+ was overheating to, so letâs hope that they donât go to crazy on overclocking
No doubt we will. I was hoping for a decent helio x10 powered phone but theres nothing on the horizon so im just gonna buy a phone to âmake doâ with till after xmas then get a decent x20 powered phone. Think the a72 cores and improved gpu will make it the best mtk chip by quite a margin.
Call me when the OnePlus 3 comes out ?
I was expecting it to be around USD 170-180, maybe 200 tops.
Oh well, I will buy something from the smaller Chinese value-for-money manufacturers â Anything with MT6753 or higher and 3GB RAM implies that the experience wonât be all that different leaving aside extreme gaming, which Iâm not remotely concerned with.
If I ever pay top dollar for a phone, Iâll buy a Samsung / LG / Apple make, not a Chinese one, no matter the brand, no matter the specs.
I guess you are more interested in name and not really getting the value of what you pay for.
Only when spending upwards of $300âŠ. Like I said, for cheap phones, Iâll side with smaller Chinese VFM manufacturers. Iâm looking at the Elephone P8000 and similar makes in and around the $200 mark.
However, Iâm interested in brand/name when the amount is significant. Itâs a personal decision, and I wouldnât spend serious money on a non-premium top-5 sort of brand (Samsung / Sony / LG / Apple etc.).
For me, the interest with brand / name is directly proportional to the money involved.
âA non premium top 5 brandâ. What makes them a top 5 brand? In terms of worldwide sales several Chinese phones would crack the top 5. What makes Chinese flagships ânon premiumâ?
Have you ever used a premium Chinese phone from manufacturers like Xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo, Huaweii or Meizu? They use the same components as the phones from the brands you mentioned. Many of them are built in the same exact factories as the brands you mentioned. There is a huge difference between these companies and Elephone. This is ignorance at itâs finest.
LGâs top end phones are still made in Korea. Samsung has its own factories in China as does Nokia although I havenât been to the Nokia factory since MS bought them. Everyone knows Apple uses Foxconn and Sony I honestly donât know because Iâve never cared or had enough interest in Sonyâs phones to check.
The big distinguishing factor is the quality of the QC or QA as the big international firms will send their own people (foreigners, engineers, etcâŠ) to supervise production and this makes a huge difference actually. The Chinese really have to be pushed hard and watched over to deliver international quality otherwise they get clever and cut corners and buy BMWâs and send their kids to US schools with the money they save. Speaking from experience.
Thatâs why I said many and not all of them. Foxconn for instance builds phones for Apple but also for several Chinese brands including Huawei. Huawei also has QC/QA engineers that go out and inspect their products as does Lenovo. The problem is people lump all Chinese phones together and think they all are run the same way.
For the same buying cost, the Chinese Premium (including One+) phones are superior to well established brands (Sammy, Apples, LC, HTC etc). I owned both types.
Youâve said it all.
KABOUM!!!! balco with another bomb!!!
I just canât stand the ignorance that some people show about products you can tell they know very little about.
Yeah really no ⊠Iâll just wait for the Helio X20 crowd if I even change my perfectly running Optimus G.
2015 is beginning the end of 2000 yuan Chinese flagships. Letâs say goodbye them.
Most probably price of Oneplus 2 will be 2500 yuan like LeTV Pro and Nubia Z9 Max.
Remember Oneplus CEO said that price seems reasonable.
Yea, I guess Chinese manufacturers are gradually loosing what made them âthe peoples choiceâ. Pricing.
Donât worry the Xiaomi Mi5 will be out soon and will cost 1999 yuan.
The Xiaomi Mi5 will be the phone I buy in 2016 (unless the 2nd generation Nexus 5 comes out), then iâll toss a coin.
I donât think so if it came with SD810 soon. We will see who is right.
Mi1 â 1999
Mi2 â 1999
Mi3 â 1999
Mi4 â 1999
A new SoC has never changed the price before, why would it now?
I think the Xiaomi Mi5 is going to blow the OnePlus Two out of the water.
I think the Mi4 blew the OnePlus One out of the water. But thatâs mainly because I prefer MIUI to CM.
Iâll wait to see what OnePlus produce for their âThreeâ smartphone, otherwise it will be the Mi6 for me in January 2017.
I am most likely going to abandon Xiaomi and buy a Meizu this year. It all comes down to what Xiaomi uses for the Mi5, if it is a SD810 I am done.
I also am starting an experiment this month. Originally I was going to use nothing but a windows phone for a month but now I decided instead to use an Ubuntu for a month and see how close it is to being a real deal.
Is it this one
http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e5-ubuntu-edition
See also:
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/06/new-5-inch-ubuntu-phone-goes-on-sale
No its this one:
http://www.bq.com/gb/aquaris-e4-5-ubuntu-edition
It has the 2100 band which we use in Thailand and I only paid $149 US for it so I am looking forward to trying it out. If I can live with it day to day am I going to buy the Meizu version.
Should be interesting. Iâve been to Thailand on holiday â Bangkok and Phuket, definitely go again one day. We could go for Thai Street Food
I love me some street food! Just had some sticky rice and grilled pork sticks for dinner actually with fried bananas for dessert, total cost was about $1.25. I live in Bangkok most of the year, travel back to the US occasionally.
Thats ridiculously cheap, lucky you. Apparently 40,000 Brits live in Thailand, they must be having a wail of a time.
Yea some sources claim their are close to 1 million expats living here at any given time from just about every country in the world.
Wow thats incredible. Is being able to speak Thai a necessity or the bare minimum is enough ?
I have lived here 3 years and I know very little Thai, enough to say simple greeting to my in laws lol. English is the unofficial second language here, virtually anywhere you go in Bangkok, Phuket, Chang Mai or Pattaya people will peak some level of English.
Good question. It should not, but it will IMO.
Time to time I see some manufacturers talking about how SD810 is more expensive comparing to SD801.
When you implemented SD810 logically they will also implement LPDDR4 RAM and if they could find from any silicon vendors they can choose UFS 2.0 storage.
Also metal and/or glass body is good excuse to rising prices.
Donât forget fingerprint scanner, OIS etc.
Sure some of those would rise the cost, but IMO they are also rising their profit margins.
Look at the Mi4i. Just few days ago a new 5 incher Xiaomi phone spotted in TENAA. People suppose itâs Mi4i and they estimates 899 yuan price tag for it.
Xiaomi is always raising prices in your opinion. We have had this discussion many times in the past. But the facts remain despite newer technology at the time the price of their numbered Mi Phones have always stayed the same. Util they say otherwise we have to assume the Mi5 will stay the same as well, just based on their trends and their trends alone.
Not always, letâs say from the beginning of 2015. Numerous times I tried to explain why Iâm thinking that way.
Letâs wait and see who is right. I have two condition, it have to be released in short term and it have to come with SD810. For the record with that conditions I estimate price will be more than 1999 yuan, probably will be 2499 yuan or close.
And numerous times I have pointed out that your wrong but skipping over all that lets wait and see. Personally I wish they wouldnât use the 810 and if they do this will be the year I make the switch to Meizu. But regardless of which SoC they use it will cost 1999. Xiaomi isnât like most other companies who try to maximize profits from initial sales. Xiaomi believes in two ways of generating sales, continued sales over time and the MIUI App Store.
I guess we will talk about that again when Mi5 announced either way.
Yup thereâs a good chance the Mi5 will also be 1999⊠and (still) come with only 16GB non-expandable memory.
Could very well which for me has never been an issue thanks to the free and excellent Mi Cloud and OTG.
All you need is an OTG cable and a USB stick or a microSD card coupled with Meenova.
Yup I have a 128GB USB thumpdrive I found on Amazon during Black Friday sales. I paid about $12 for it and it works perfectly.
Excellent. Was it from Amazon UK ?
No Amazon US. But even today you can find some cheap thumb drives if you look around. Hereâs one for about $20US
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Verbatim-49065-PinStripe-Flash-Drive/dp/B0079GI3D4/ref=sr_1_7?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1434812744&sr=1-7
I already said if you want a cheap SD810 phone today without the waiting, begging for invites, or other ridiculous games just go get yourself a LG G Flex2 now for around $375 USD (give it another week or two and it will be down to $350). I heard LG fixed a lot of the issues with the recent 5.1.1 update (probably because the update throttles down the CPU, not confirmed yet).
EDIT: Actually I see you can buy it on Hi-mobile for $365, http://www.hi-mobile.net/lg-phones-h959, and MetroSix for $360, http://www.metrosix.com/product-details/1815
Do these respective websites that you have mentioned above ship to Europe ?
Hi-mobile should, although based in Hong Kong they do have a distribution center in the UK with UK hotline telephone number +44 0845-8352886.
Very interesting. Have you personally used them ?
No because Iâm often in Hong Kong, but I know theyâve been operating for over 10 years now.
Nice thanks for the info. Iâll probably get a Xiaomi Mi3 and use it for 12 months and then see what good in July 2016
Oh yeah if you are in Hong Kong check out a place called T Dimension, supposed to be very good
Can some one explain to me why companies donât switch to the mt6795? Isnât that chip-set superior to the sd810? I am not that technical and donât know the proâs and cons of these 2 chips (please name them if you know) only that the mediatek supposed to be faster and doesnât overheat that fast.
For years MTK just couldnât compete with Qualcomm when it came to flagships. On top of that MTK has a very negative stigma in countries in the West. Even today I read reviews of new 64 bit MTK phones and they list the SoC under the cons or negatives. When in reality MTK has caught up and even surpassed Qualcomm in many areas.
Qualcomm has deals with most of the major companies, they are very secretive about how much they charge each company for their SoCâs. A company as big as OPPO probably gets a good price which is why I call BS on the â60%â more claim.
i have zte with sg410 and it runs smoothly and it scores 17,000 on antutu.
why mtk chip are laggy
The 17,000 on antutu tells you what exactly? And describe how an MTK chip is âlaggyâ. What chip are you even talking about? I use an MTK 6752 in one of my devices and I have used a SD 410 and the 410 is ages behind in terms of overall speed and function.
It seems that some years you do not test a good device with MTK SOC. The snapdragon 410 of his ZTE no hits a mtk6735 even in overclocking. http://www.phonearena.com/news/MediaTeks-MT6735-SoC-beats-the-Snapdragon-410-chipset-in-benchmark-tests_id68455
I find hard to understand most of comments below: no mocking meant, if you feel to explain,please do: Iâm all hears.
âIâll wait for the SD820 or Hello X20 because are betterâ
These 2 SoC are not out yet but it seems you have infos about their quality.
On paper the SD810 was a beast until it reached a development board and find out it overheats and throttle.
âThe Helio X20 is a better dealâ
Do you guys buy the SoC from Mediatek and put it on you old phone?
Are Mediatek phones cheaper than the Qualcomm equivalent?
letâs take last year flagships from both companies, Meizu MX4 and OPO.
The Qualcomm one was cheaper.
if we take the low and mid tiers then yes, Mediatek version are cheaper, but not on flagships
In fact MX4 was cheaper.
International price?
Are you sure about that?
If we are considered Meizuâs BS international pricing our judgement wouldnât be right. To be fair we have to look Chinese prices both.
Still now the international version of MX4 sells for 449$.
50% more than OPO.
Want to take the Chinese price @ launch?
Ok, 1799 cny (289$) vs 299$
Meizu 3% cheaper than OPO.
Is that 3% significant to say with no doubt that Mediatek flagships are cheaper than Qualcomm ones?
No,Not in my opinion at least.
Actually the difference of currency is enough to make that 3% disappear because the exchange rate floated of 2.5% during this last year.
Companies price their phones regardless which SoC they pick.
SoC is only a part of the price.
Itâs significant,I agree, but itâs not enough to say that Mediatek phones are cheaper than Qualcomm. Not when we speak about flagships.
OPPO will make expensive phones even if they switch to Mediatek, same about Vivo or Gionee.
Xiaomi sold the Redmi 1 (MT6589T) and Redmi 1S (SD400) for the same exact price.
Again, SoC didnât influence the price
Yes, it does. Look at the Redmi 2 vs Redmi 2A.
Right, why am I even debating with you. I should know it by now.
I started comparing Qualcomm and Mediatek prices on flagship phones and you bring up Qualcomm and Leadcore on low tiers.
Of course Leadcore is cheaper, you donât buy from third party.
But Iâm glad you brought it up.
So,Huawei phones should be cheaper because they make their SoC home but they are not.
Once again the SoC didnât influence the price that much.
Letâs suppose the Helio X20 will be sold by OPPO only.
Do you believe it will be cheaper?
But thereâs no need the pick the most expensive brand.
Letâs say Zopo ( zp999 1999cny just like all hundreds of Qualcomm phones)
Or maybe Lenovo (vibe x2 2499cny).
Last year flagship from Mediatek cost as much or even more than the counterpart from Qualcomm.
Look I was thinking Xiaomi owns Leadcore, but turned out itâs not true. Maybe you are not aware of that. Itâs third party.
Only difference between Redmi 2 and Redmi 2A is chip and itâs cheaper.
Companies like Oppo or HTC always works with fat profit margins. So they will be more expensive even with Mediatek chips.
Zopo and Lenovo also isnât famous with good prices.
Preovious year while Mi4 and MX4 is around some Xiaomi official was talking about releasing a Mediatek flagship with 1499 yuan price tag.
Youâre actually saying the same thing Iâm saying.
It doesnât matter what SoC youâre using, price itâs up to companies no matter what.
Thereâs actually no data that makes anybody think that a new phone with the Helio x20 is going to be cheap.
Yes, prices are differ company to company, but cheaper parts helps prices to put at the relatively lower levels.
Iâm almost sure Helio X20 wonât be cheap like X10, however most probably still will be cheaper than SD820.
Mediatek will pay more licence fee to ARM for X20 comparing to X10 because 2 extra A72 cores and more powerful and up to date GPU. (Well, actually X10 has an Imagination GPU, but letâs get not complicated the matters.) Also will pay more to TSMC to manufacture them because more expensive 20nm process and itâs larger die area both. (Though 20nm process should be cheaper at the time from now.)
SD820 going to manufacturing even more expensive 16nm FinFET process and I can bet it will contain a giant GPU for mobile phones.
That is bad example because Xiaomi owns Leadcore the company who made the SoC used in the 2A. If they has used a Samsung, Kirin or Mediatek SoC the price would have been the same as the regular Redmi 2.
Xiaomi doesnât own Leadcore, so itâs a good example.
http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1326617
Xiaomi made an investment in Leadcore back in November, they own a 51% stake in a joint venture company between the two of them to design new chips. Seems there is conflicting reports here.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Xiaomis-cheap-Leadcore-powered-phone-to-cost-80-and-launch-in-February_id64906
http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/xiaomi-invest-4g-chip-making-solutions-241374.html
I have bought my mx4 in europe for 299 eur with all waranties and so onâŠfor that price I could only get samsung A5.
That wasnât my point.
You could have gotten several phones for that price not only the mx4.
U3, MI4,OPO,Nubia Z7,Honor 6.
Which proves what I said since the beginning:
Cheaper SoC is not equal to cheaper phone. Actually the price of last year Chinese flagship was pretty much the same regardless if it was a Mediatek,a Qualcomm or HiSilicon.
3 different SoC, same price (or at least same price range) one thing in common: they all come from China.
What comes out for the story is not that Mediatek phones are cheaper
(because thereâs absolutely no FACT that they are, only opinions).
What comes out is that Chinese phones are cheaper, we can easily say that because there are several examples to show that.
I understand the overall point your making and last year I remember people saying âwait for the 810 its going to be the greatest everâ. We all have no clue how well any of these will perform. But your methodology is very flawed. You cherry picked two phones when there were other flagships that also used the SD 801 that cost more than OPO. When compared to the following devices the MX4 (Mediatek) seems like a bargain:
HTC One M8 â $649
LG G3 â $600
Galaxy S5 â $649
OPPO Find 7 â $600
Prices for these phones varied based on what market it was selling in, these were just averages based on the largest markets. But even the cheapest prices for these were well over $500 and the most expensive over $800 in some markets. There are more than just these two. The 801 was used in virtually every flagship (excluding those from Huwaei) last year. When picking the cheapest options the OPO it seems like the Meizu is overprices, when looking at all the options it is actually cheaper.
I agree with you when you bring up the non Chinese brands but if we stay within all Chinese manufacturers the story is different.
I picked those two phones because they were the cheapest one of last year flagship.
Letâs keep comparing:
Nubia z7 max, iuni u3, xiaomi
mi4 = 1999cny
Zopo zp999 = 1999cny
Lenovo vibe x2= 2499cny.
Where did you see they are cheaper?
Look, mine is a provocation.
I know Mediatek chips are cheaper but this doesnât mean that the phones are cheaper.
Itâs all about how the company price the phone due to market reason and another point that I want wanted to bring up is that
the SoC is only a part of the overall price which people seems to forget here.
Again if we choose which Chinese brands to use as examples the story is different. But if we include Oppo, Vivo, Lenovo and Gionee the story is still the same, some are cheaper and some are more expensive. All those are Chinese brands and all of them had an 801 powered phone that launched for over $500.
I get the overall point you are trying to make that the SoC doesnât define the price, I just didnât agree with the example. If anything I would say the brand has more to do with the price than the SoC does. Even an OPO with an MTK would still cost well over $322. Just like a Vivo, no matter what chipset they use their phones are not going to be cheap. Gionee is a prime example of this they switched from a SnapDragon in the E7 to an X10 in the E8 and their phone is more expensive.
I brought few examples just to point that even if Mediatek chips are cheaper it doesnât mean that phones are going to be cheaper automatically.
You might have not liked the example but at least you agree with the point.
Saying that a new phone with the x20 is going to be cheaper doesnât make any sense to me.
And I was asking where did they get that.
Same about the quality of new SoC.
Lets not fight again honey!
Lol
Most of the phones that had the Qcomm cpu were much more expensive than MX4⊠just because OPO had about the same price, that doesnât change the fact that in most cases phones that have MTK cpuâs are cheaper.
In OPO case, being cheaper can be due to other facts too, not only CPU.
Also, since you are interested in Chinese companies only, not all phones have the same components or quality⊠which also matters in price.
Another fact also is the date of release of each phone, meaning that the price on the CPU gets cheaper in time, so companies that release their phones much later than the CPU release by Qcomm get better bulk prices. MX4 was one of the 1st to use the new MTK6595
Well, that was exactly my point.
Having a cheaper SoC from Mediatek doesnât automatically mean that the phone is going to be cheaper due to way too many factors. You listed few of them and I can add few more.
Thatâs why I was asking how did they know that next helio x20 phones are going to be cheaper?
I have been saying this along, this is just going to be another phone. The original OPO was a revolutionary phone because it offered flagship specs, a great OS (although i am not a fan of CM) and a great price. Companies like Xiaomi, Meizu and Nubia had already been doing this but what set the OPO apart was it was offered in the West.
Fast forward a year. A big year for Chinese phones as the new 64 bit MTK SoCâs were released and finally closed and passed (in some regards) their SD rivals. Now everyone has access to flagship specs at all price ranges. The OPO 2 will no longer have one of itâs most popular features, CM. And then there is the price I have a gut feeling this is going to cost well over $400. The OPO fans will still buy it and still might sell well, but the demand wonât be anywhere near what it was for the original.
@balco, youâve done a good job of listing the advantages that theyâve lost, but youâve left out the baggage and negative aspects that they still have and insist on keeping. Namely theyâre horrible marketing practices and their crazy invite system. Plus they now have a reputation of missing their deadlines and not supporting their software in accordance with their promises.
So itâs not just another phone, itâs âjust another phone from a manufacturer that canât be trusted to update their software and annoys the piss out of everyone with their marketing stuntsâ. This is significantly worse that just being one of the pack.
I have spoken at length about their marketing failures lol. Felt like Iâd give them a pass this time.
You should also state that they integratet sheets of graphite to let the heat temperatures dissipate through the whole Phone and is even 4 degrees cooler than 801 now
I see some of the most heated debates in the comment-section of the post
I like it.
âHeatedâ, you threw in a good pun without even being aware. ?
Lol, guess I did haha
Not sure but despite me living in China for many years, i donât know anyone who bought an OPO. there sales numbers are super low and they can only survive being bankrolled by OPPO.
Without CM there is nothing to rave about and other phones offer great quality and way better OS. Pricepoint is not that important and availability doesnât really help if u doing it OPO way.
I for my case will not wait for them nor expect them to shift respectable numbers⊠swan song comes late⊠but it was a dead born already
The only thing revolutionary about the 1+ was the price. And also their very funny and at time offensive Ad campaigns.
Exactly my point. The only real flagship component it had was the SD 801, and even with that they were months behind Samsung, LG, Sony, and HTC. Every other component was upper-mid-range in quality and performance. The build quality was top notch, granted, and while I personally love the design thatâs a very subjective thing.
Their marketing stunts were laughable, if not entertaining. And donât even get me started on the embarrassing invite system.
yes? comparatives? or only âi say it,its trueâ the japan display screen is bad? the corning gorilla glass is not the same as samsung etc? the sony exmor 214 is a cheaper version? please,explain
First of all, Corning gorilla glass is used by most reputable smartphone vendors, even in their low-end range. For example: The Motorola Moto G uses Gorilla Glass 3. So strike that component from the conversation as it doesnât apply.
As for the OP1âs JDI display; itâs a good, upper mid-range quality display. Is it superior to AMOLED displays manufactured by Samsung, or AH-IPS displays manufactured by LG? No, which is why OP didnât use those displays (they would have driven up the cost).
Lastly, the Sony IMX214 camera sensor was one of 3 Sony Exmor RS 13MP camera sensors available at the time the OP1 launched, the âflagshipâ of these being the IMX220 found in the Sony Xperia Z2 (the low-end being the IMX135). The IMX220 is clearly superior to the IMX214, both in resolution AND sensor size (among other improvements). So why didnât OP opt for the IMX220? Simple, because the IMX214 was a proven, quality camera sensor, and it allowed them to keep the OP1 cost at $300/$350.
It sounds like youâre arguing that, once a flagship component, always a flagship component. Is the SD 801 SoC still a flagship component in your opinion? Probably not. Last years flagships are this yearâs mid-rangers (upper mid-rangers at best). If that werenât true we wouldnât want to âupgradeâ our smartphones as often as we do.
no,im arguin samsung,sony,etc uses common hardware.The imx220 is the top sensor? yes!! but who uses it?? only sony and ( a year later ) meizu? name the models ( released at the same time as oneplus one ) who stay âmonthsâ over the opo and why⊠i only ask is âEvery other component was upper-mid-range in quality and performanceâ the exmor 214 is nos the same than others exmor 214? whats the âmid range hardware tho opo mounts? is a simply cuestion
im interested
( not defending opo or similar! only curiosity.example : the ram memory is make in bad quality for a small company? the gyroscope is a old one whith bugs? )
Maybe you were also under the impression I was knocking the OP1. Just the opposite, I think the design/engineering philosophy was brilliant and appealed perfectly to the power user (aka phone geeks like us).
My perfect phone is one that gives me the best bang for the buck in the most areas. No phone did that better than the OP1, which is why it ranks as my favorite smartphone of all time.
no,no! im a phone geek noob whith a lot of curiosity only
i like confirmed data not only â this sensor is badâ and seek to know what middle range hardware mouts the opo 
( sorry for my very limited english )
Wow, lots of heated debate here. If you ask me, OP is making a huge mistake by following the herd with âme tooâ specs. They need to get to know the OP1 buyer better (IDK, maybe start reading your own forums?). The OP1 is a geek phone, purchased almost exclusively by phone geeks. If youâre not a mobile or general technology geek, youâve probably never even heard of OP (and you probably buy all your phones on contract). I sell contract phones for a living in Canada, and since the OP1 released maybe a dozen phone shoppers Iâve talked to (out of thousands) knew of its existence (only 5 I know of bought one).
My point is, phone geeks know better. They know that QHD (otherwise known as â2Kâ for marketing purposes) displays are not necessarily better than 1080P displays where phones are concerned and are, in fact, inferior in many aspects. They also know that the SD 810 SoC is only marginally faster than the SD 801, and even less so than the SD 805. In fact, a lot of us phone geeks read articles like this one â http://www.xda-developers.com/sony-xperia-z3-outperforms-snapdragon-810-in-z4/ â and wonder why weâd want to pay more for a device with the SD 810 when we gain almost nothing by it. Bragging rights? Maybe, if youâre bragging to non-phone geeks (and letâs face it, they donât really know any better).
A real âflagship killerâ doesnât need to use marketing gimmicks, or compete with the Samsung/LG/Sonyâs of the world spec-for-spec. It just needs to have no real weaknesses. A good design, quality build, and PROVEN components is all it really takes. The only thing that really needs to be best-in-class is the price. Such was the lure of the OP1. Looks like OP is going to muck that all up with the OP2.
Why canât they use MediaTek itâs cheaper and not such a piece of crap as Snapdragon isâŠ
we need custom roms, maybe they wll wait for another SD⊠or Mediatek should open their code xD
IT WOULD BE MORE ATTRACTIVE IF IT SUPPORT SD CARD SUPPORT WITH DUALSIM AND DUAL TONE LED FLASH LIGHT